Spoon: oops i see a lie demon accepts others views all the time

-DeMoN_OvErLoRd-: Your proving my points over and over, i said people who are blind mostly deny that they are..COZ THEY CANNOT SEE IT! I respect every single persons view here on 2wap, I may not always agree with it, but i certainly do respect it, its their right to have an opinion..i dont call them evil for having one or say to them that they are trouble makers for having an opinion that differs from my own. As a matter of fact you should embrace questions and doubts its how man learns is it not? if you dont ask, you wont know right? Im not blind i accept ALL people of all kinds, Im not racist nor a bigot, you cannot admit to being the same because you have carried a chip on your shoulder even before you got here.

outlaw: Actually i did point out a few obvious contradictions in your claims, namely: free will and omniscience paradox, a merciful being who likes to torture people, an omnipotent god who can't stop satan from going about his business. That's just three of the several issues you kept running from in this discussion. But thanks for trying.

outlaw: Also it seems ironic you should expect someone to respect your views Dottie. I mean you believe in a God that wants to torture people merely for having opinions. Remember, not their actions! Merely their views and opinions.

oomph: Oww why? Why wont he heal my infection if i pray to him seeking his help? My 'most-forgiving and most-compassionate' Allah!

outlaw: If you're gonna post in a closed topic, then just let it stay open.

outlaw: Allah permits Iblis and doesn't want to stop him. Can stop but doesn't? Then he's not merciful. That's the thing when you're trying to defend an evil doctrine. It's indefensible and you're gonna have one problem or another. I have no idea what you mean by "cheap words". Do you mean "insults"? I haven't insulted you or anything. I'm just discussing

outlaw: If that were the case, i'd admit I'm wrong. But remember, according to the doctrine, merely not believing is a sin. Allah will register "not beliving" as a sin. A non-believer doesn't have to do any sinful action at all. Plus, the punishment is eternal hellfire. Even if a person had commited an actual sin, infinite torture is way too cruel a punishment for anyone to say that Allah is merciful.

outlaw: You guys often give the father-son example. That if a son were to say that his father is not really his father, wouldn't that be wrong? Well of course it would be wrong. The son would be guilty of ungratefulness. But does that grant the father the right to torture the son? By earthly standards, such a father would be considered a psychopath, and quite rightly so.

Izaguirre: I'v come to understand that someone who believes in no God cant be righteous. For example and i say this as a fact, the pagans and atheists have been the rudest in faithzone, they have no respect for any God. And it prompted an atheist (a female mod to be precise) to make a topic here in faithzone saying "why dont we atheists just mind our own business, instead of trying to ruin other people's faith with insulting and trying to force the belief on nothingness (being faithless) on them. Then she concluded that atheists and pagans have no place in faithzone, simply bcos they have no faith...

Izaguirre: Allah is not your father, neither is He my father. You and your father are just two of His creations. Plz lets stop this father-son comparism. Your father didnt create u, did he? Did he kw d actual date u'l be born? Does he kw when u'l die? Did he write ur destiny? Does he kw wat u'r become? Thus he truelly has no right to torture u.

So plz lets stop dis issue of father-son comparism. Allah is clearly beyond such comparism

Spoon: eish dnt even get me started with this 1 as u know i believe it was my fathers sperm and mothers egg that created me not any god

Kumz: It all comes down to the same thing,over and over again. Kinda getting tired of the off topic posts and same pointless answers. Quran mentions a lot about how to lead a righteous life in general, which were already explained and taught in many other religions that came before Islam. The main difference is that it asks all believers to serve and worship god in a more fanatic and fearful way. Whereas other religions treat god like a father and love him cz they believe he loves them.

Kumz:
That is the opinion of one person who doesn't believe in god. and what about Zeast, hero,haris and a few others whom I can't remember,who were unbelievably rude to the ones who dont believe in god? They even bring out personal matters when they run out of come backs. So you could say...both believers and non believers are the same as humans. And no. I'm not a cannibal although I dont believe in god. In fact, most Buddhist are vegetarians.

Izaguirre: we are all different, when you insult my faith, i'd still be cool with my next reply. You shouldnt blame a man for insulting you 'personally' after you've insulted his faith. There are some few posts in this thread that breeds insult to either islam or Allah but i overlooked them. You eat off what you feed to others. Tho i dont do direct insults if i wish to retaliate, i know how i go about it. Dont blame a man for giving you what you gave him. Can you remember the issue of 'old' in this thread? Thats an example.

Izaguirre: nobody loves me like Allah does, not even my mother. EOD (END OF DISCUSSION)

Izaguirre: you respect people's view by abusing it? I wonder ur definition of 'respect'. If we go to the past, we will certainly find proof. Have i ever insulted any1's beliefs? You'll never even find me in the thread. In the past spoon would pm me with links to her kemetic threads and i'l reply by saying 'no thanks'. But she said i was arrogant with such act. Then i said, 'i respect ur faith so much that i choose nt to talk in it cos im very certain we would never agree on anything'. But you bro, you dont only argue, you provoke... Not only muslims, but with bloodyodity, boet (can u remember). What happened in private i cant say. But its shameful when someone you dislike helps you whole-heartedly to solve a case, then instead of saying thanks or just leaving his inbox. You left by dropping an insult. And this same person tells me he is good and respect others? I'm clearly ashamed and i feel much pity for you bro cos such atitude is really bad. Sumtimes we shld try to act our age.

Kumz: again an answer which relates round about 10% to the question. Not my issue that our questions are misunderstood as insults. my point was those users, being muslims, insult others, just like you say us non believers insult you. They fall to the same category then, huh? And I dont blame them. They're just...human. You just miss my point.