*what d0es God pr0mise us*
49 replies
jaQui
2011/12/17 05:47
What does God
promise us?
Eternal Life -
The Kingdom of
God -
The New
Creation
Eternal life is
one of God's
promises to the
faithful, to
those who know
and love God
and persevere in
overcoming.
There are many
verses about
the promise of
eternal life.
John 3:16 and
Romans 6:23 are
often quoted:
Rango
2015/01/30 19:09 ethereal:
Israel!
Are u talking about iralites under moses?
detrimentum
2015/01/30 19:20 Rango:
Who/What is Israel u r talking about.Let me hope u believe that judgement all people will take place at the same time.
God' chosen people... Who Jesus came to die for... Who rejected Him.
Deuteronomy 7:13-14 "He will love you and bless you and
multiply you; He will also bless the fruit of
your womb and the fruit of your ground,
your grain and your new wine and your
oil, the increase of your herd and the
young of your flock, in the land which He swore to your forefathers to give you.
"You shall be blessed above all peoples;
there will be no male or female barren
among you or among your cattle.
that verse is a blessing for Israel. Explaining how much Israel ment to God.
Don't forget that Christ will reign ON EARTH for 1000years... it will be like heaven on EARTH. And after that period , there will be Judgement.
Rango
2015/01/30 19:41 ethereal:
God' chosen people... Who Jesus came to die for... Who rejected Him.
Deuteronomy 7:13-14 "He will love you and bless you and
multiply you; He will also bless the fruit of
your womb and the fruit of your ground,
your grain and your new wine and your
oil, the increase of your herd and the
young of your flock, in the land which He swore to your forefathers to give you.
"You shall be blessed above all peoples;
there will be no male or female barren
among you or among your cattle.
that verse is a blessing for Israel. Explaining how much Israel ment to God.
Don't forget that Christ will reign ON EARTH for 1000years... it will be like heaven on EARTH. And after that period , there will be Judgement.
Ok, now the judgement is done and xtians have gone to heaven, who will remain on earth?It is not Israil, now the time for israel ended when they disobeyed.This about the future, who will remain on earth after judgement?
I believe Jesus will rule for a thousand years and i believe it is in that period when judgement will occure.The unrightious will be given a chance tn learn the truth and they will be judged out of their deeds in that time period.maybe first answer my qn.Who will be on earth after judgement?
detrimentum
2015/01/30 19:47 Rango: perhaps you may be convinced that all christians are going to heaven, but wr could these things be, in heaven or on earth?
"They will build houses and live in them, and they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.They will not build for someone else to inhabit, nor will they pland for others to eat.Tor the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, and the work of my chosen ones will enjoy to the full"
Isaiah 65:21,22
U may have heard wrong about us, i was once like u but i believed for myself
I am convinced that every Christian will go to Heaven yes... Every Christian is sealed. except for that, there is no limit on grace... the Blood of Christ cannot be contained. Death couldn't contain Christ! I will never put a limit on Him. And how dare you assume how many and who He will save? Do you serve a God who isn't limitless? I don't... I believe in One who can bend heaven itself to open for each and every soul. Pfffft...
detrimentum
2015/01/30 19:53 Rango: Ok, now the judgement is done and xtians have gone to heaven, who will remain on earth?It is not Israil, now the time for israel ended when they disobeyed.This about the future, who will remain on earth after judgement?
I believe Jesus will rule for a thousand years and i believe it is in that period when judgement will occure.The unrightious will be given a chance tn learn the truth and they will be judged out of their deeds in that time period.maybe first answer my qn.Who will be on earth after judgement?
2 Peter 3:10: “The
heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements
will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and
everything in it will be laid bare.â€
There won't be anything to rule...
Rango
2015/01/30 20:07 ethereal:
I am convinced that every Christian will go to Heaven yes... Every Christian is sealed. except for that, there is no limit on grace... the Blood of Christ cannot be contained. Death couldn't contain Christ! I will never put a limit on Him. And how dare you assume how many and who He will save? Do you serve a God who isn't limitless? I don't... I believe in One who can bend heaven itself to open for each and every soul. Pfffft...
It isn't that only 144000 will be saved.But think about a kingdom, it has got a king (that is jesus christ), co-rulers (those r the 144000), the subjects (that is the great crow), the palace (it is in heaven), and the land being ruled over is the earth.
And look Ps. 37:9, 11, 29: "Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah r the ones that wil possess the earth...The meek ones themselves wil possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
detrimentum
2015/01/30 20:14 Rango: Ok, now the judgement is done and xtians have gone to heaven, who will remain on earth?It is not Israil, now the time for israel ended when they disobeyed.This about the future, who will remain on earth after judgement?
I believe Jesus will rule for a thousand years and i believe it is in that period when judgement will occure.The unrightious will be given a chance tn learn the truth and they will be judged out of their deeds in that time period.maybe first answer my qn.Who will be on earth after judgement?
I'll continue tomorrow.. But leaving you to ponder on the following..if you can.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from
yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
detrimentum
2015/01/30 20:24 Rango: It isn't that only 144000 will be saved.But think about a kingdom, it has got a king (that is jesus christ), co-rulers (those r the 144000), the subjects (that is the great crow), the palace (it is in heaven), and the land being ruled over is the earth.
And look Ps. 37:9, 11, 29: "Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah r the ones that wil possess the earth...The meek ones themselves wil possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Have you not read a single thing I have said??
Martyrs will get crowns in heaven... That does not make them rulers... It sets them apart... There will be NO EARTH to rule! It will be destroyed with Satan... you wanting to rule means you aren't humble and you have pride! Jesus will not free you so you can rule over others... Salvation is freedom. You will not even rule over Hell. The need to rule dies with Satan.
I'm done.
Rango
2015/01/30 20:25 ethereal:
2 Peter 3:10: “The
heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements
will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and
everything in it will be laid bare.â€
There won't be anything to rule...
The earth and all things in it will be laid bare [or exposed] and not being cleaned up.
CONSIDER
Ps 104:5 "He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place [or will not totter] forever and ever"
Ecc. 1:4 "A generation is going, and a generation is coming, But the earth remains forever"
I cann't give u all the explanation here but i can direct u wr to get the explanations to my answers if u wish to
Rango
2015/01/30 20:46 ethereal:
Have you not read a single thing I have said??
Martyrs will get crowns in heaven... That does not make them rulers... It sets them apart... There will be NO EARTH to rule! It will be destroyed with Satan... you wanting to rule means you aren't humble and you have pride! Jesus will not free you so you can rule over others... Salvation is freedom. You will not even rule over Hell. The need to rule dies with Satan.
I'm done.
Rulling is not my own making.Here it is in the Bible.Look at Rev.20:4, 6 "...And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1000 years. 6.Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1000 years"
It is not pride that we want 2 rule and am not even among the 144000.These r appointed by Jesus himself just as God appointed Jesus 2 be king
Rango
2015/01/30 20:54 ethereal:
I'll continue tomorrow.. But leaving you to ponder on the following..if you can.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from
yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
Atleast if i was among the 144000, then u would be right to say am boasting.But iam not even among them, iam trying my level best to explain facts.Assume iam telling u that in paradise there will be plenty of food, no dying, peace etc and then u say iam proud, thats not right
detrimentum
2015/01/31 08:47 Rango: The earth and all things in it will be laid bare [or exposed] and not being cleaned up.
CONSIDER
Ps 104:5 "He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place [or will not totter] forever and ever"
Ecc. 1:4 "A generation is going, and a generation is coming, But the earth remains forever"
I cann't give u all the explanation here but i can direct u wr to get the explanations to my answers if u wish to
Earth as we know it will be destroyed... It will be bare. There won't even be oceans anymore. Nothing. The structure will remain. But all that makes it earth will be destroyed.
The new heaven will New jesrusalem and Jerusalem will be on earth. God will be on earth and all those saved. God will not be in a separate place with a select view ruling over the earth.
Revelation 21
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away,
and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city,
new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from
God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He
will dwell with them, and they will be his people,
and God himself will be with them as their God.
detrimentum
2015/01/31 08:51 Rango: Rulling is not my own making.Here it is in the Bible.Look at Rev.20:4, 6 "...And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1000 years. 6.Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1000 years"
It is not pride that we want 2 rule and am not even among the 144000.These r appointed by Jesus himself just as God appointed Jesus 2 be king
by you I mean jehovah's witness... You believe you are israel and that all prophecies regarding israel is directed at you.... Do you understand that there is no logic in that? That israel are jews... the bible, the torah and the Quran shows that clearly... the 144000 are jews... Born jewish. Born in israel... They are hebrew speaking people. They are not in anyway jehovah witnesses.
detrimentum
2015/01/31 08:53 Rango: Atleast if i was among the 144000, then u would be right to say am boasting.But iam not even among them, iam trying my level best to explain facts.Assume iam telling u that in paradise there will be plenty of food, no dying, peace etc and then u say iam proud, thats not right
No, what makes you proud is that you think the things you do will get you salvation... That there is no universal salvation... Salvation is universal and works will not get you salvation, the bible says that clearly.
Rango
2015/01/31 19:03 ethereal:
by you I mean jehovah's witness... You believe you are israel and that all prophecies regarding israel is directed at you.... Do you understand that there is no logic in that? That israel are jews... the bible, the torah and the Quran shows that clearly... the 144000 are jews... Born jewish. Born in israel... They are hebrew speaking people. They are not in anyway jehovah witnesses.
Gen. 32:28 "Then he said; 'Your name will no longer be Jacob but Israel, for you have contended with God and with men and you have at last prevailed.'"Have noticed y his name changed to Israel?Israel comes 2 refer to all his descendants, the descendants of jacobs 12 sons wr often called the sons of israel, the house of israel etc.Israel is not only a name, but a name of meaning as is with jacob.This about the spiritual israel. "However...For not all who descend from israel are realy 'Israel'" Rom. 9:6
detrimentum
2015/02/01 08:56 Rango: Gen. 32:28 "Then he said; 'Your name will no longer be Jacob but Israel, for you have contended with God and with men and you have at last prevailed.'"Have noticed y his name changed to Israel?Israel comes 2 refer to all his descendants, the descendants of jacobs 12 sons wr often called the sons of israel, the house of israel etc.Israel is not only a name, but a name of meaning as is with jacob.This about the spiritual israel. "However...For not all who descend from israel are realy 'Israel'" Rom. 9:6
I was waiting for this 
Romans 9
''I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy
Spirit— I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and
cut off from Christ for the sake of my people,
those of my own race, the people of Israel.''
1. Israel is a race.
Being a decendant, being an ethnic jew doesnt mean you are the ''chosen Israel'', the Israel who God promised nations will bow too, and bless etc.
Who is this real Israel? Ethnic jews. No matter the number of the real Israel they will be jews. Because Israel is a race.
Even though there's millions of jews, the remnant ( chosen Israel) will be small.
, Romans 9:27.
"Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be
saved."
Romans 11:5.
"Even so at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace."
Grace come from Christ. The ''real'' Israel will be ethnic jews who converted to Christianity.
For example, the jewish disciples are the Real Israel.
The 144000 ethnic jews are the Real Israel, and every jew they convert will be the Real Israel.
Revelation 11.
I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple
of God and the altar, with its worshipers. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the
Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city
for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260
days, clothed in sackcloth.†They are “the two olive trees†and the two lampstands,
and “they stand before the Lord of the
earth.â€
They will convert ethnic jews, and those jews will be the Real Israel.
The 3000 On Pentecost (Acts 2:1-41)
Those ethnic jews are The Real Israel.
The ethnic jews who will convert after the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be the real Israel.
The Real Israel are ethnic jews who accept Jesus. And they will become meek and inherit the earth. They will rule with Christ as their king for a thousand years.
Would you like to a list of the promises made to the Real Israel? or more verses regarding the Real Israel?
Think its time I ask you to explain a few verses to me... Seeing that I've been doing it.
Rango
2015/02/01 19:37 ethereal:
I was waiting for this
Romans 9
''I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy
Spirit— I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and
cut off from Christ for the sake of my people,
those of my own race, the people of Israel.''
1. Israel is a race.
Being a decendant, being an ethnic jew doesnt mean you are the ''chosen Israel'', the Israel who God promised nations will bow too, and bless etc.
Who is this real Israel? Ethnic jews. No matter the number of the real Israel they will be jews. Because Israel is a race.
Even though there's millions of jews, the remnant ( chosen Israel) will be small.
, Romans 9:27.
"Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be
saved."
Romans 11:5.
"Even so at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace."
Grace come from Christ. The ''real'' Israel will be ethnic jews who converted to Christianity.
For example, the jewish disciples are the Real Israel.
The 144000 ethnic jews are the Real Israel, and every jew they convert will be the Real Israel.
Revelation 11.
I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple
of God and the altar, with its worshipers. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the
Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city
for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260
days, clothed in sackcloth.†They are “the two olive trees†and the two lampstands,
and “they stand before the Lord of the
earth.â€
They will convert ethnic jews, and those jews will be the Real Israel.
The 3000 On Pentecost (Acts 2:1-41)
Those ethnic jews are The Real Israel.
The ethnic jews who will convert after the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be the real Israel.
The Real Israel are ethnic jews who accept Jesus. And they will become meek and inherit the earth. They will rule with Christ as their king for a thousand years.
Would you like to a list of the promises made to the Real Israel? or more verses regarding the Real Israel?
Think its time I ask you to explain a few verses to me... Seeing that I've been doing it.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20101101/bible-prophecy-modern-state-israel/
My dear, u've got alot of quations and i've got alot of answers.If u wish, all info. u nid is available at jw.org,
You may visit the website to know about us, it answers all the quations u want to know about us, about the Bible, and etc.Visiting the website will not make u one of JWs and no login required.Just visit jw.org, click search and enter maybe "Israel".Am doing this bse i may not hv tym & u can get all u need
Romans 9
''I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy
Spirit— I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and
cut off from Christ for the sake of my people,
those of my own race, the people of Israel.''
1. Israel is a race.
Being a decendant, being an ethnic jew doesnt mean you are the ''chosen Israel'', the Israel who God promised nations will bow too, and bless etc.
Who is this real Israel? Ethnic jews. No matter the number of the real Israel they will be jews. Because Israel is a race.
Even though there's millions of jews, the remnant ( chosen Israel) will be small.
, Romans 9:27.
"Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be
saved."
Romans 11:5.
"Even so at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace."
Grace come from Christ. The ''real'' Israel will be ethnic jews who converted to Christianity.
For example, the jewish disciples are the Real Israel.
The 144000 ethnic jews are the Real Israel, and every jew they convert will be the Real Israel.
Revelation 11.
I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple
of God and the altar, with its worshipers. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the
Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city
for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260
days, clothed in sackcloth.†They are “the two olive trees†and the two lampstands,
and “they stand before the Lord of the
earth.â€
They will convert ethnic jews, and those jews will be the Real Israel.
The 3000 On Pentecost (Acts 2:1-41)
Those ethnic jews are The Real Israel.
The ethnic jews who will convert after the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be the real Israel.
The Real Israel are ethnic jews who accept Jesus. And they will become meek and inherit the earth. They will rule with Christ as their king for a thousand years.
Would you like to a list of the promises made to the Real Israel? or more verses regarding the Real Israel?
Think its time I ask you to explain a few verses to me... Seeing that I've been doing it.
detrimentum
2015/02/01 19:45 Rango: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20101101/bible-prophecy-modern-state-israel/
My dear, u've got alot of quations and i've got alot of answers.If u wish, all info. u nid is available at jw.org,
You may visit the website to know about us, it answers all the quations u want to know about us, about the Bible, and etc.Visiting the website will not make u one of JWs and no login required.Just visit jw.org, click search and enter maybe "Israel".Am doing this bse i may not hv tym & u can get all u need
Jehovah's witness is wrong... I don't need a website to understand... I can read the bible. I'm more than capable to use my own understanding. I don't have many quotations... I have many scriptures. My questions also have nothing to do with what you believe. I can assure you that no website will help you answer them... It was fun, but I'm done.... I'm a poet.
Rango
2015/02/01 20:12 ethereal:
Jehovah's witness is wrong... I don't need a website to understand... I can read the bible. I'm more than capable to use my own understanding. I don't have many quotations... I have many scriptures. My questions also have nothing to do with what you believe. I can assure you that no website will help you answer them... It was fun, but I'm done.... I'm a poet.
Why don't u visit the website and then comfirm after reading the correct explanation than confirming from what u have heard or from what u know.Do not be like a person who has ears but does not listen, has eyes but does not see.U read ur Bible, that means ur searching for the truth.u may search and u don't find, but u continue searching.Why then search from the website? If u dont get the info. u need, then u search else where.If u search else where, u'll get duplicated gold than pure one.Just try the site.
detrimentum
2015/02/01 20:17 Rango: Why don't u visit the website and then comfirm after reading the correct explanation than confirming from what u have heard or from what u know.Do not be like a person who has ears but does not listen, has eyes but does not see.U read ur Bible, that means ur searching for the truth.u may search and u don't find, but u continue searching.Why then search from the website? If u dont get the info. u need, then u search else where.If u search else where, u'll get duplicated gold than pure one.Just try the site.
Lol... eyes that can't see... Me? I'm not searching. I have found my bible is pure gold.... That site would be what you call duplicated gold. Sorry... I think you are extremely delusional, and I believe that you cannot think for yourself that's why you used a website... You can't think for yourself because you have decided that jehovah's witness will think for you. I do hope that you will see the light...
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