*what d0es God pr0mise us*
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jaQui
2011/12/17 05:47
What does God promise us? Eternal Life - The Kingdom of God - The New Creation Eternal life is one of God's promises to the faithful, to those who know and love God and persevere in overcoming. There are many verses about the promise of eternal life. John 3:16 and Romans 6:23 are often quoted:
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jaQui
2011/12/17 06:13
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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jaQui
2011/12/17 07:05
Acts 2:29 and 34). The Old Testament faithful will remain in their graves until "the coming of the Lord." Then they will be resurrected, along with the faithful followers of Jesus. 2. The faithful who " are alive and remain"at "the coming of the Lord" will join the resurrected dead as they "meet the Lord in the air." 3. Note that nothing was said about going to heaven. It was only stated that the faithful would "meet the Lord in the air" and would"ever be with the Lord." Yes, there are verses such as Matthew5:12 which state "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven." But it is a mistake to conclude that anyone will go to heaven to get their reward.
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jaQui
2011/12/17 07:32
It is the will of God for the faithful to receive eternal life. Those in the first resurrection receive eternal life as spirit beings. They will never be mortal again and can not possibly die again. A "second death" can happen to those who are resurrected as mortals at the later resurrection, after the 1000 years. If they are not judged worthy to receive eternal life, they will die again, a second time, without further hope of resurrection and life (Revelation 21:8). Those who suffer the second death are gone forever, destroyed, permanently non-existent. Those who teach that God punishes the wicked with continuous eternal torment in some sort of hellfire are in error, and are teaching a flagrant lie about the nature of God. To eternally punish anyone would be both pointless and pathetically sadistic. God will give everyone a fair chance to attain salvation and eternal life. Those who do not meet God's expectations will be destroyed forever.
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jaQui
2012/03/10 10:53
Dis is life after death
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jaQui
2015/01/25 16:01
outlaw: So where will they go exactly? Obviously they can't remain suspended in the air with Jesus forever, can they?
remember its spirit...
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Rango
2015/01/25 21:59
jacki: remember its spirit...
All wat u said is true, but with this i do not agree.the bible indicates that only 144,000 anointed ones will resurrect as spirit creatures.They are the only ones who will go to heaven because they are worthy.Thy are called the little flock."the great crowd" will be resurrected as perfect humans and these will take posession of the earth.that is: "the rightious themselves will posses the earth and they will live forever on it" Thank u very much for your knowledge of the Bible.keep on searcing smiley
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detrimentum
2015/01/26 04:08
no no no! The 144 000 Revelation talks about are JEWS. 13000 from each tribe. They aren't Spirit Creatures they are people... Jacki rather read the Bible yourself please.
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Rango
2015/01/30 00:48
ethereal: no no no! The 144 000 Revelation talks about are JEWS. 13000 from each tribe. They aren't Spirit Creatures they are people... Jacki rather read the Bible yourself please.
I said spirit annointed chritians
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detrimentum
2015/01/30 05:03
Rango: I said spirit annointed chritians
All wat u said is true, but with this i do not agree.the bible indicates that only 144,000 anointed ones will resurrect as spirit creatures. That's what you said.... ,,The “Jehovah’s Witnesses” have almost no concept of the distinction between the literal and the figurative language in the Bible. And so, they literalize the number 144,000 in these two contexts, and ridiculously argue that only 144,000 people will gain heaven.'' is this true?? revelation clearly says that the 144 000 are from the tribes of Israel. They will be converted to Christianity ( ethnic jews will become christians) and they will in turn convert the great magnitude it speaks of later during the tribulation period... So a great magnitude will go to heaven aside from those Raptured.
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Rango
2015/01/30 17:56
ethereal: All wat u said is true, but with this i do not agree.the bible indicates that only 144,000 anointed ones will resurrect as spirit creatures. That's what you said.... ,,The “Jehovah’s Witnesses” have almost no concept of the distinction between the literal and the figurative language in the Bible. And so, they literalize the number 144,000 in these two contexts, and ridiculously argue that only 144,000 people will gain heaven.'' is this true?? revelation clearly says that the 144 000 are from the tribes of Israel. They will be converted to Christianity ( ethnic jews will become christians) and they will in turn convert the great magnitude it speaks of later during the tribulation period... So a great magnitude will go to heaven aside from those Raptured.
All what i said is true.For example, quate me well "will be resurrected as spirit creatures".Xtians believe that when they die, they are ressurrected in spirit to heavenly life.Look at Rev. 7:3 "...the slaves of our God..." 4 "And i heard the number of those who were sealed, 144000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of israel" That does not mean that all xtians will be sealed.These are the ones who at no time fornicated, mention any sort of bad u know.They hv remained faithfull to God up to death
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detrimentum
2015/01/30 18:04
Rango: All what i said is true.For example, quate me well "will be resurrected as spirit creatures".Xtians believe that when they die, they are ressurrected in spirit to heavenly life.Look at Rev. 7:3 "...the slaves of our God..." 4 "And i heard the number of those who were sealed, 144000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of israel" That does not mean that all xtians will be sealed.These are the ones who at no time fornicated, mention any sort of bad u know.They hv remained faithfull to God up to death
They are jews... Who will become Christian and their purpose will be to convert non Christians to Christianity... a great maltitude. maybe millions..... a spirit doesn't die, it can't be resurrected.
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Rango
2015/01/30 18:09
Rem. there are two categories of people mentioned in Rev. 7 Think about the great crowd who dressed in white.Whome could this crowd consist of if all christians are part of the 144000?Do u know what they said about them?The Bible says they will hunger no more.Doesn't that mean there will be plenty of food? if yes, wr will the food be grown, is there soil in heaven?There is no physical body in heaven but only spirits.144000 will rule as kings and priests in heaven over the earth
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Rango
2015/01/30 18:24
ethereal: They are jews... Who will become Christian and their purpose will be to convert non Christians to Christianity... a great maltitude. maybe millions..... a spirit doesn't die, it can't be resurrected.
Yes, a spirit doesn't die and can not be resurrected.this things are recorded in revelation and may be u didn't understand me.what i meant is that; 144000 will be Ressurrected in spirit (that is after dying as humans) in heaven and will rule as kings and priests from heaven over the people who will be ressurecte as perfect humans on earth.They are corulers with Jesus christ in God's kingdom.An example 1 Peter 3:18 "...died once for all time...He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit"
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detrimentum
2015/01/30 18:27
Rango: All what i said is true.For example, quate me well "will be resurrected as spirit creatures".Xtians believe that when they die, they are ressurrected in spirit to heavenly life.Look at Rev. 7:3 "...the slaves of our God..." 4 "And i heard the number of those who were sealed, 144000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of israel" That does not mean that all xtians will be sealed.These are the ones who at no time fornicated, mention any sort of bad u know.They hv remained faithfull to God up to death
ALL Christians are sealed!!! 2 Corinthians 1:20-22 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God. Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.
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Rango
2015/01/30 18:34
Perhaps you may be convinced that all christians are going to heaven, but wr could these things be, in heaven or on earth? "They will build houses and live in them, and they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.They will not build for someone else to inhabit, nor will they pland for others to eat.Tor the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, and the work of my chosen ones will enjoy to the full" Isaiah 65:21,22 U may have heard wrong about us, i was once like u but i believed for myself
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detrimentum
2015/01/30 18:34
Rango: Rem. there are two categories of people mentioned in Rev. 7 Think about the great crowd who dressed in white.Whome could this crowd consist of if all christians are part of the 144000?Do u know what they said about them?The Bible says they will hunger no more.Doesn't that mean there will be plenty of food? if yes, wr will the food be grown, is there soil in heaven?There is no physical body in heaven but only spirits.144000 will rule as kings and priests in heaven over the earth
o.O what? The 144 000 will convert the great magnitude in white robes. On earth.... during tribulation. Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. After tribulation - judgement - heaven.
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Rango
2015/01/30 18:38
ethereal: o.O what? The 144 000 will convert the great magnitude in white robes. On earth.... during tribulation. Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. After tribulation - judgement - heaven.
If it is heaven, who will posess the earth?
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detrimentum
2015/01/30 18:58
Rango: perhaps you may be convinced that all christians are going to heaven, but wr could these things be, in heaven or on earth? "They will build houses and live in them, and they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.They will not build for someone else to inhabit, nor will they pland for others to eat.Tor the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, and the work of my chosen ones will enjoy to the full" Isaiah 65:21,22 U may have heard wrong about us, i was once like u but i believed for myself
Its about Israel... Psalm 25:13 They will spend their days in prosperity, and their descendants will inherit the land. Ezekiel 36:19-24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Ezekiel 36:25-28, And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.”
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detrimentum
2015/01/30 18:59
Rango: If it is heaven, who will posess the earth?
Israel!
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Rango
2015/01/30 19:06
ethereal: Israel!
Who/What is Israel u r talking about.Let me hope u believe that judgement all people will take place at the same time.
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