So says the book

-DeMoN_OvErLoRd-

2011/04/09 08:33

Izaguirre: i doubt if i'l answer this cos you havnt been reading this thread, if u have u'l find and answer already..such topics have been over sum very many pages ago bro.

Like I thought, you dont have a logical explanation. Thats ok smiley

Why didnt Allah send prophet Muhammad and the all-in-one book Quran at the very beginning so that there was one and only one religion and a concrete and established way of worship for everyone to follow? Wouldhv made life easier for us no? And a tad tougher for people of earlier eras who could go to heaven by easy means :/

panache

2011/04/09 09:12

And how can you claim that man hasnt corrupted the Quran as well?

Spoon

2011/04/09 11:16

panache: Why didnt Allah send prophet Muhammad and the all-in-one book Quran at the very beginning so that there was one and only one religion and a concrete and established way of worship for everyone to follow? Wouldhv made life easier for us no? And a tad tougher for people of earlier eras who could go to heaven by easy means :/

good question but according to them allah created all ppl so by there logic there werent ppl b4 them or dinosaurs (damn dnt no wot we going to to with all those damn bones)

panache

2011/04/09 11:44

Spoon: good question but according to them allah created all ppl so by there logic there werent ppl b4 them or dinosaurs (damn dnt no wot we going to to with all those damn bones)

he did mention about some pre Muhammad era when there wasnt any fully established rule of worship. my ques is with reference to that text.

DotmonKing

2011/04/09 23:32

-DeMoN_OvErLoRd-: Like I thought, you dont have a logical explanation. Thats ok smiley

i know you well and you know me well. You set out to provoke with the slightest ways but i'm ever cool. How could i have replied ur same question more dan once in this thread if i dont have a logical explanation? You want a special reply directed to you? Perhaps you should press harder lol. I'l become a nuissance to keep repeatin the samething. As long as it is about islam and only islam, if 10 more people join in this thread, i'l still have an answer to every question and i'l still be on top... Insha Allah.

DotmonKing

2011/04/09 23:39

panache: Why didnt Allah send prophet Muhammad and the all-in-one book Quran at the very beginning so that there was one and only one religion and a concrete and established way of worship for everyone to follow? Wouldhv made life easier for us no? And a tad tougher for people of earlier eras who could go to heaven by easy means :/

Do you impress that you know more than the One who created you. If He has sent Muhammed (Peace be upon him) with the Qur'an from the very begining... Do you know maybe we will be having multi-millions of fraction by now? take christianity for example, there are uncountable sect under the umbrella of that religion and the argument between a catholic and a protestant is even more heated than that of a catholic and muslim. Dont the catholics and protestants read exactly the same book (bible)?

DotmonKing

2011/04/09 23:43

panache: And how can you claim that man hasnt corrupted the Quran as well?

mankind will die upon trying to corrupt the Qur'an. Allah promised to safe guard it Himself and up till today these are no issues with the arabic texts (original). If you think otherwise, i'l need ur 'slightest' proof

DotmonKing

2011/04/09 23:51

outlaw: That is no better than a game show host who asks the contestant to choose one of two doors. Behind one door is a car and behind the other door a drunk midget. The game show host knows what's behind each door. That's not true omniscience. Omniscience would be knowing which door the contestant will choose.

Allah is all-knowing and capable. He is omniscience, can transform you in anyway He wishes. He could alter your destiny for good. Thats why we for to Him for favour. We know we'll go astray on our own. Thus We need Allah to help us choose and open the righteous door of our destiny. We priortise Him over our freewill but you priortise your freewill over everyother thing. Allah is in every form beyond all imaginations and reasonings.

Kumz

2011/04/10 04:03

Izaguirre: yep i'm not sure but i think that was during the time of Moses. That prostitute will be amongst the righteous on the day of ressurection cos Allah has decreed it so. But do not make the error of comparing pre Jesus/Muhammed (peace be upon them) era to now. Now we have a fully established rule of worship. Muhammed (peace be upon him) is the seal of all prophets and Islam tho was practice by all prophets but it wasnt fully established until the comin of the last prophet. Now you cant just fetch water with your shoe from a well, gv it to a dog and go to the heavens for that singular act because we not have a concrete and established way of worship and which must be dully followed. Tho u'l stil earn a big reward for such generous act... But like i askd in the opening pages, will it be enuf to save you? No it wont. Man now must worship Allah if he wishes to be successful in the afterlife

so prostitution was forgiven then,for such a simple act of compassion,why?cz by that time god hadn't given the full list of rules in religion.right...so then he realised his mistake and thought of giving a few rules through the Bible.then again he realised his mistake of not giving a whole lot more rules.then he sent the Quran,asking all man kind to bow down to him,if not we'll burn in hell for eternity. People were doing fine after the first book,right?they were doing some good.well,there were wars.we still do.why cudnt he stop till he asked ppl to be his servants and bow down to him five times a day?

Kumz

2011/04/10 04:08

Izaguirre: Allah sent very many prophets to their people... Yes. But Allah sent down only for books. Torah (old testament) to Moses. Zaburah to David. Injeel (new testament) to Jesus and the Qur'an to Muhammed. Plz also read my post i just made on destiny which i quoted outlaw. I'm sure u'l understand better about the subject of Jesus just as i explained that of iblis. The torah, zabur and injeel earlier send were corrupted by man. Thus Allah says in the Qur'an. ''We have sent down to you the Qur'an to correct and to confirm what was before you''. To correct and to confirm, to correct the errors in the previous books and to also confirm the truth in the books. Thus that makes the Qur'an an all-in-one book. Any muslim who neglects the existence of those previous books is not a true muslim. But the Qur'an is above all others and it alone should be relied upon.

so you do believe in all three books sent before the Quran.yet you speak harshly of the New Testament.

Kumz

2011/04/10 04:15

Izaguirre: i think i'v just answered this in the post wer i talked of man as mini-god. Also read the post about destiny thats b4 it.

destiny?mini-god?still doesn't explain why,WHY a god wants man to worship him day and night,to come to the correct path.ok....let's take an example. The most beloved Mother Theresa.she was never a Muslim.with all the good she has done,would she still be sent to hell for not bowing down to god five times a day or for not believing in the quran or for not accepting Jesus to be a prophet and Muhammad as the last prophet or believing in Jesus as the son of god?

Kumz

2011/04/10 04:22

Izaguirre: mankind will die upon trying to corrupt the Qur'an. Allah promised to safe guard it Himself and up till today these are no issues with the arabic texts (original). If you think otherwise, i'l need ur 'slightest' proof

Why did he not safe guard the other books just the same?why did he,knowingly,let them be altered by the people?if he didn't,there'd have been less wars and less bloodshed in his name.

Kumz

2011/04/10 04:28

Izaguirre: Allah is in every form beyond all imaginations and reasonings.

Indeed! I can't imagine my father letting me and my brother murder each other over two different books that we think is better than the other.he'd come out of his room,stay among us and help us understand better.he'd not send his brother or friend to confront us.and mind you...my father is only human.

panache

2011/04/10 11:13

Izaguirre: Do you impress that you know more than the One who created you. If He has sent Muhammed (Peace be upon him) with the Qur'an from the very begining... Do you know maybe we will be having multi-millions of fraction by now? take christianity for example, there are uncountable sect under the umbrella of that religion and the argument between a catholic and a protestant is even more heated than that of a catholic and muslim. Dont the catholics and protestants read exactly the same book (bible)?

that wasnt a satisfactory answer.. theres difference of opinion within every religion no matter which came up when. Even though Muhammad was sent last yet Islam has sects like Shias and Sunnis. So sending him last didnt really help you see! Instead if he was sent at the very beginning and safe guarded the Quran atleast we wouldhv been following the same holy book and recognizing the same God now. Pretty lazy this Allah must be..no?

panache

2011/04/10 11:19

Izaguirre: mankind will die upon trying to corrupt the Qur'an. Allah promised to safe guard it Himself and up till today these are no issues with the arabic texts (original). If you think otherwise, i'l need ur 'slightest' proof

You are a Muslim, the bias is obvious. I say Allah has one more religion up his sleeve. A new prophet with a whole new revised edition of the Quran is coming soon!

panache

2011/04/10 11:29

Actually Allah wanted me to write the book for him but i turned him down coz i am a busy woman with no time or energy to waste. And im not illerate enough to fit the image of a prophet anyway.. cant even get anyone to take my dictations! (Leak: the no. of times you are supposed to pray everyday is increasing to 10)

DotmonKing

2011/04/10 18:43

Kumz: so prostitution was forgiven then,for such a simple act of compassion,why?cz by that time god hadn't given the full list of rules in religion.right...so then he realised his mistake and thought of giving a few rules through the Bible.then again he realised his mistake of not giving a whole lot more rules.then he sent the Quran,asking all man kind to bow down to him,if not we'll burn in hell for eternity. People were doing fine after the first book,right?they were doing some good.well,there were wars.we still do.why cudnt he stop till he asked ppl to be his servants and bow down to him five times a day?

You dont ask questions, you make conclusive post but you understand nothing. I'l be glad to answer questions like Why didnt He stop at the 1st books etc etc. Tho are sensible and polite question. But say He made mistakes upon your ignorance means you've already come to your own conclusion tho you're ignorant about what you're talking about. You have you own opinion already, thus i have nothing to answer to you.

DotmonKing

2011/04/10 18:49

Kumz: so you do believe in all three books sent before the Quran.yet you speak harshly of the New Testament.

yes i believe Allah sent down those books but man has corrupted it thus it shld be disregarded. Informations in those books that are the same with those in the Qur'an... We accept them. All others should be left alone.

DotmonKing

2011/04/10 18:52

Kumz: destiny?mini-god?still doesn't explain why,WHY a god wants man to worship him day and night,to come to the correct path.ok....let's take an example. The most beloved Mother Theresa.she was never a Muslim.with all the good she has done,would she still be sent to hell for not bowing down to god five times a day or for not believing in the quran or for not accepting Jesus to be a prophet and Muhammad as the last prophet or believing in Jesus as the son of god?

mother theresa? Who is she? I've heard that name but i dont know her. Thus she hasnt touched my life in any way and how has she touched yours?