Is Jesus Christ actually God? by Rango 2014/12/25 17:17
John 17:3, NW: "[This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.]"
What does it mean by 'The only true God".Does it not come to mind that there are very many other Gods and then among all, there is only one true God, Jehovah, the almighty?!
Take an example of gods you have recently heard; god of war, god of the rain and all other gods.
John 17:3, NW: "[This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.]"
What does it mean by 'The only true God".Does it not come to mind that there are very many other Gods and then among all, there is only one true God, Jehovah, the almighty?!
Take an example of gods you have recently heard; god of war, god of the rain and all other gods.
detrimentum 2015/01/01 20:58
Okay, I give up... You don't even acknowledge God speaking of His crucifixion. which makes me believe that you don't want to understand... nevemind the back and forth. That alone is enough. Be seeing you
Quote: Rango: "..in Jesus' name.."
Jesus [The son] has a name and it is 'Jesus'
God [The father] has a name and it is 'Jehovah'
The holly spirit is the helper
Psalms 83:18 states that "May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth"
Jehovah, [the father] not Jesus is the most high.He's not equal to the son and the spirit.
Matthew 3:17 "Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said:"This is my son, the beloved, whome i have approved"
Jesus [The son] has a name and it is 'Jesus'
God [The father] has a name and it is 'Jehovah'
The holly spirit is the helper
Psalms 83:18 states that "May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth"
Jehovah, [the father] not Jesus is the most high.He's not equal to the son and the spirit.
Matthew 3:17 "Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said:"This is my son, the beloved, whome i have approved"
Okay, I give up... You don't even acknowledge God speaking of His crucifixion. which makes me believe that you don't want to understand... nevemind the back and forth. That alone is enough. Be seeing you
Rango 2015/01/01 21:03
I got alot of infomation that may be so beneficial for learning, but it's all tiresome typing here.Here are the scriptures u may refer to on this matter
Mathew 6:9
Deut. 6:4
John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:13
Acts 7:55, 56
Matt. 22:39
John 8:17, 18
Mark 13:32
Rev. 1:1; 3:14
1 Peter 1:3
Many more scriptures, but i'll explain any you wish me to
I got alot of infomation that may be so beneficial for learning, but it's all tiresome typing here.Here are the scriptures u may refer to on this matter
Mathew 6:9
Deut. 6:4
John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:13
Acts 7:55, 56
Matt. 22:39
John 8:17, 18
Mark 13:32
Rev. 1:1; 3:14
1 Peter 1:3
Many more scriptures, but i'll explain any you wish me to
Rango 2015/01/01 21:24
John 17:1-3 "Father,...this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whome thou hast sent"RS
1 Cor. 8:5, 6, RS: "Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'-yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whome are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whome are all things and through whom we exist"
Quote: ethereal:
Okay, I give up... You don't even acknowledge God speaking of His crucifixion. which makes me believe that you don't want to understand... nevemind the back and forth. That alone is enough. Be seeing you
These r my last quotes.Pliz verify from your BibleOkay, I give up... You don't even acknowledge God speaking of His crucifixion. which makes me believe that you don't want to understand... nevemind the back and forth. That alone is enough. Be seeing you
John 17:1-3 "Father,...this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whome thou hast sent"RS
1 Cor. 8:5, 6, RS: "Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'-yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whome are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whome are all things and through whom we exist"
detrimentum 2015/01/02 07:25
I don't understand the point you are trying to make.... If all things were made through both God and Jesus, and if everlasting life is only possible through both God and Jesus then its obvious that Jesus is equal to God... neither is possible without both... Because if you reject God the Son, you reject God the Father. Because They are One.
don't you believe it, or don't you understand it? Because if you understand it then you are refusing to believe anything but the Jehovah's Witness doctrine. and I'm arguing with someone who doesn't believe what I believe, and that's pointless. And neither one of us will accept the others belief. If you don't understand it, and you are trying too, there is a point to all this. you will not change your view on the Trinity and I will not change mine.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept
the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot
understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.
Quote: Rango: These r my last quotes.Pliz verify from your Bible
John 17:1-3 "Father,...this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whome thou hast sent"RS
1 Cor. 8:5, 6, RS: "Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'-yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whome are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whome are all things and through whom we exist"
John 17:1-3 "Father,...this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whome thou hast sent"RS
1 Cor. 8:5, 6, RS: "Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'-yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whome are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whome are all things and through whom we exist"
I don't understand the point you are trying to make.... If all things were made through both God and Jesus, and if everlasting life is only possible through both God and Jesus then its obvious that Jesus is equal to God... neither is possible without both... Because if you reject God the Son, you reject God the Father. Because They are One.
don't you believe it, or don't you understand it? Because if you understand it then you are refusing to believe anything but the Jehovah's Witness doctrine. and I'm arguing with someone who doesn't believe what I believe, and that's pointless. And neither one of us will accept the others belief. If you don't understand it, and you are trying too, there is a point to all this. you will not change your view on the Trinity and I will not change mine.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept
the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot
understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.
detrimentum 2015/01/02 08:30
Mathew 6:9
Its the Lords prayer? The prayer dedicated to the Father.
Deut 6:4 The Lord our God is one? Yes. The Trinity is the oneness of God too.
John 14:6 I have used this in my argument for the Trinity. That there is no way to the Father except through the Son.
John 17.... is the essence of the Trinity.
10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me
through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am
coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the
power of your name--the name you gave me--so
that they may be one as we are one.
( did you even read John 17? Did you read it with open eyes?)
There isn't a John 26 in the Bible.
John 15:26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of
truth who goes out from the Father—he will
testify about me.
The Spirit ''goes out from the Father'' meaning it was in the Father.... I don't understand these scriptures... so far they are evidence of the Trinity.
John 13:16 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not
speak on his own authority, but whatever
he hears he will speak, and he will declare
to you the things that are to come.
Considering that the Spirit is God... I'm not sure what this is meant to imply. '' not His own authority'' perhaps? If He went out from God then He is both God and part of God and being part of God yet separate would mean that He would still act like God and not as a separate being .
I really don't see the point of continuing with the scriptures you gave me.... As all of them doesn't make sense when it comes to you not believing in the Trinity. and its very tiring having to read it, then explain it... Especially to someone capable of reading, but doing so blindly. Because if your eyes were open you'd see verses like ''we are one'' ''goes out from God'' but you don't....
Quote: Rango: I got alot of infomation that may be so beneficial for learning, but it's all tiresome typing here.Here are the scriptures u may refer to on this matter
Mathew 6:9
Deut. 6:4
John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:13
Acts 7:55, 56
Matt. 22:39
John 8:17, 18
Mark 13:32
Rev. 1:1; 3:14
1 Peter 1:3
Many more scriptures, but i'll explain any you wish me to
Mathew 6:9
Deut. 6:4
John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:13
Acts 7:55, 56
Matt. 22:39
John 8:17, 18
Mark 13:32
Rev. 1:1; 3:14
1 Peter 1:3
Many more scriptures, but i'll explain any you wish me to
Mathew 6:9
Its the Lords prayer? The prayer dedicated to the Father.
Deut 6:4 The Lord our God is one? Yes. The Trinity is the oneness of God too.
John 14:6 I have used this in my argument for the Trinity. That there is no way to the Father except through the Son.
John 17.... is the essence of the Trinity.
10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me
through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am
coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the
power of your name--the name you gave me--so
that they may be one as we are one.
( did you even read John 17? Did you read it with open eyes?)
There isn't a John 26 in the Bible.
John 15:26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of
truth who goes out from the Father—he will
testify about me.
The Spirit ''goes out from the Father'' meaning it was in the Father.... I don't understand these scriptures... so far they are evidence of the Trinity.
John 13:16 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not
speak on his own authority, but whatever
he hears he will speak, and he will declare
to you the things that are to come.
Considering that the Spirit is God... I'm not sure what this is meant to imply. '' not His own authority'' perhaps? If He went out from God then He is both God and part of God and being part of God yet separate would mean that He would still act like God and not as a separate being .
I really don't see the point of continuing with the scriptures you gave me.... As all of them doesn't make sense when it comes to you not believing in the Trinity. and its very tiring having to read it, then explain it... Especially to someone capable of reading, but doing so blindly. Because if your eyes were open you'd see verses like ''we are one'' ''goes out from God'' but you don't....
Rango 2015/01/02 15:39
1 Cor. 11:3 "But i want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God" Christ is not equal to God just as u are not equal to your head
"...they are one..."
Matt. 19:5 "and said: 'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh'"
Wen u marry ur wife, you become one, does it mean u share one body?
Quote: ethereal:
I don't understand the point you are trying to make.... If all things were made through both God and Jesus, and if everlasting life is only possible through both God and Jesus then its obvious that Jesus is equal to God... neither is possible without both... Because if you reject God the Son, you reject God the Father. Because They are One.
don't you believe it, or don't you understand it? Because if you understand it then you are refusing to believe anything but the Jehovah's Witness doctrine. and I'm arguing with someone who doesn't believe what I believe, and that's pointless. And neither one of us will accept the others belief. If you don't understand it, and you are trying too, there is a point to all this. you will not change your view on the Trinity and I will not change mine.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept
the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot
understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.
"...then it is obvious that Jesus is equal to God..."I don't understand the point you are trying to make.... If all things were made through both God and Jesus, and if everlasting life is only possible through both God and Jesus then its obvious that Jesus is equal to God... neither is possible without both... Because if you reject God the Son, you reject God the Father. Because They are One.
don't you believe it, or don't you understand it? Because if you understand it then you are refusing to believe anything but the Jehovah's Witness doctrine. and I'm arguing with someone who doesn't believe what I believe, and that's pointless. And neither one of us will accept the others belief. If you don't understand it, and you are trying too, there is a point to all this. you will not change your view on the Trinity and I will not change mine.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept
the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot
understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.
1 Cor. 11:3 "But i want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God" Christ is not equal to God just as u are not equal to your head
"...they are one..."
Matt. 19:5 "and said: 'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh'"
Wen u marry ur wife, you become one, does it mean u share one body?
Wale22 2015/01/06 19:34
What does son of god means?
What does son of god means?
Quote: bad-apple: Bro let me ask you how many versions of the holy bible exist... the original scripture revealed by God to Jesus was in Hebrew language.. the ones you see in English are modified and don't reflect truely the original scripture... Jesus was a prophet and a messenger.. but he isn't and never will be the son of God.
Georginia 2015/01/09 14:02
Jesus was the Son of God. God is the Almighty Father n the only God in Heaven and Earth. There's is no other God besides Him.
Jesus was the Son of God. God is the Almighty Father n the only God in Heaven and Earth. There's is no other God besides Him.
Samuel099 2015/01/10 19:58
Quote: Rango: I thought this was an obvious yes.your beliefs are confusing.Allmost all christians believe that Jesus is the son of God and they are the same people who say Jesus is God Almighty.I wonder if he is a son to himself.
They say that God has no beggining and no end and yet Jesus Christ has a begging.
I know wat it feels to u.it's hard to change ur mind on the issue u grew up knowing and of which many people believe it [the trinity].But remember, not many but a few are following the true path of life.
Your right cause I for instance follow the teaches and the law of God so i dont believe that jesus is god also trinity is a man made doctrine. Dear, Rango continue to tell the truth about God.. their bibles were made of Catholic worshipers thats why
They say that God has no beggining and no end and yet Jesus Christ has a begging.
I know wat it feels to u.it's hard to change ur mind on the issue u grew up knowing and of which many people believe it [the trinity].But remember, not many but a few are following the true path of life.
TheOne 2015/01/10 20:07
Jesus christ was actually a manifestation of Julius Caesar.. he wanted himself to be praised as a son of god in future
Jesus christ was actually a manifestation of Julius Caesar.. he wanted himself to be praised as a son of god in future
Rango 2015/01/16 19:43
Quote: Samuel099: Your right cause I for instance follow the teaches and the law of God so i dont believe that jesus is god also trinity is a man made doctrine. Dear, Rango continue to tell the truth about God.. their bibles were made of Catholic worshipers thats why
Thank's dear, i do my best
rahul0kumar 2015/02/01 12:47
Bad-apple how can you say that jesus was a messenger and prophets.
Have you read hebrew's bible?
1st read and then say.
Clear
Bad-apple how can you say that jesus was a messenger and prophets.
Have you read hebrew's bible?
1st read and then say.
Clear
Rango 2015/05/04 12:20
You may say to yourself, "Jesus is not God but he is equal to God.What the father can do, he can also do it".Are those statements true?Consider what Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am." John 14:28
To proove that Jesus Christ is not equal to God, let us consider what He said about the time of the end.He said "Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father..."
Hope you can see that, Jesus is not God nor equal to the Father and neither are they one person as the trinity states because the father knows more than the son.
Quote: _LeGoLaS_: if he is son of God then he is also God 
Their is one other scripture to share with you.May be it can help realize that Jesus Christ is not actually God.During those days, many eyes sow Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry.But notice what the Bible book of John 1:18 says "No man has seen God at any time".Since many sow Jesus Christ, we can proove ourselves that Christ is not actually God.
You may say to yourself, "Jesus is not God but he is equal to God.What the father can do, he can also do it".Are those statements true?Consider what Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am." John 14:28
To proove that Jesus Christ is not equal to God, let us consider what He said about the time of the end.He said "Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father..."
Hope you can see that, Jesus is not God nor equal to the Father and neither are they one person as the trinity states because the father knows more than the son.
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