"Response to Qur'an 9:5" by Musafir 2010/01/13 11:03
My one friend @ demon overlord quoted QUR'AN 9:5 but he forgot to quote QURAN 9:6 in this topic topic id: 2062830 :P
“… Fight and slay the Mushrik Kafir wherever you find them …†(Al Qur’an 9:5) :)
If you read the Qur’an,
this verse exists but it is
quoted out of context
by Arun Shourie.
The first few verses of
Surah Tawbah before
verse 5 speak about the
peace treaty between
the Muslims and
Muskhriks (polytheists)
of Makkah. This peace
treaty was unilaterally
broken by the Mushriks
of Makkah. In verse no.
5 Allah (swt) gives them
an ultimatum to put
things straight in four
months ’ time, or else
face a declaration of
war. It is for the
battlefield that Allah
says “fight and slay the
Mushriks (i.e. the
enemies from Makkah)
wherever you find them
and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every
stratagem of warâ€.
This verse is revealed
and instructs the Muslims
to fight in the battlefield
and kill the enemy
wherever you find them.
But natural, any army
general to boost up the
morale of the soldiers
and to encourage them
will say “Don’t get
scared, fight and kill the
enemies, wherever you
find them in the
battlefield. Arun Shourie
in his book ‘The World of
Fatwas’ after quoting
Surah Tawbah chapter 9
verse 5 jumps to verse
7. Any logical person will
realize that verse 6 has
the reply to his
allegation.
Surah Tawbah chapter 9 verse 6 says:
:)
“If any amongst the Mushriks (i.e. the enemies)
ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that
he may hear the word of Allah and then
escort him to where he can be secure â€. (Al Qur’an 9:6)
:)
Today the most merciful
army general may tell
his soldiers to let the
enemy go, but Almighty
Allah in the Qur ’an says
if the enemy wants
peace do not just let
them go but escort them
to a place of security.
Which army general in
today ’s day and age, or
rather in the whole of
recorded human history
is ever known to have
given such merciful
instructions? Now will
someone ask Mr. Arun
Shourie
Why did he deliberately not quote verse 6? :P
My one friend @ demon overlord quoted QUR'AN 9:5 but he forgot to quote QURAN 9:6 in this topic topic id: 2062830 :P
“… Fight and slay the Mushrik Kafir wherever you find them …†(Al Qur’an 9:5) :)
If you read the Qur’an,
this verse exists but it is
quoted out of context
by Arun Shourie.
The first few verses of
Surah Tawbah before
verse 5 speak about the
peace treaty between
the Muslims and
Muskhriks (polytheists)
of Makkah. This peace
treaty was unilaterally
broken by the Mushriks
of Makkah. In verse no.
5 Allah (swt) gives them
an ultimatum to put
things straight in four
months ’ time, or else
face a declaration of
war. It is for the
battlefield that Allah
says “fight and slay the
Mushriks (i.e. the
enemies from Makkah)
wherever you find them
and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every
stratagem of warâ€.
This verse is revealed
and instructs the Muslims
to fight in the battlefield
and kill the enemy
wherever you find them.
But natural, any army
general to boost up the
morale of the soldiers
and to encourage them
will say “Don’t get
scared, fight and kill the
enemies, wherever you
find them in the
battlefield. Arun Shourie
in his book ‘The World of
Fatwas’ after quoting
Surah Tawbah chapter 9
verse 5 jumps to verse
7. Any logical person will
realize that verse 6 has
the reply to his
allegation.
Surah Tawbah chapter 9 verse 6 says:
:)
“If any amongst the Mushriks (i.e. the enemies)
ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that
he may hear the word of Allah and then
escort him to where he can be secure â€. (Al Qur’an 9:6)
:)
Today the most merciful
army general may tell
his soldiers to let the
enemy go, but Almighty
Allah in the Qur ’an says
if the enemy wants
peace do not just let
them go but escort them
to a place of security.
Which army general in
today ’s day and age, or
rather in the whole of
recorded human history
is ever known to have
given such merciful
instructions? Now will
someone ask Mr. Arun
Shourie
Why did he deliberately not quote verse 6? :P
AL-JAWWAD_1 2010/01/15 19:48
Quote: Sirajkhan: he is shaitan nd shaitan's never understands
on the day of judgement
AL-JAWWAD_1 2010/01/15 19:50
Quote: SATAN: Oh he understands very well..its the religion of violence ..look around the world...you see it ...
I have nothing more to add!
Did you read Qur'an anyway who blame others are bigger criminals them self.
I have nothing more to add!
AL-JAWWAD_1 2010/01/15 20:03
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØَقّ٠وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙيّÙÙ‡Ù
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
Quote: SATAN: its the religion of violence
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØَقّ٠وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙيّÙÙ‡Ù
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
-DeMoN_OvErLoRd- 2010/01/18 03:42
Quote: AL-JAWWAD_1:
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØÙŽÙ‚ÙÙ‘ وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙÙŠÙّهÙ
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
Tell that to the Banu Nadir whom were killed by Mohammed! Was that just cause after they were defeated to cut f 800 peoples heads? What sort of a prophet kills people?
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØÙŽÙ‚ÙÙ‘ وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙÙŠÙّهÙ
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
Kumz 2011/05/14 08:28
Quran 9:5
when the forbidden months have passed, kill the polytheists [who are at war with you] wherever you find them. Take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and take to prayer regularly and pay the alms then let them go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. (
apparently only if they convert!!)
quran 9:6
if any one of the polytheists seek asylum with you, grant him asylum so that he may hear the word of god (again to convert); then convey him to a place of safety. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge. (lol! So apparently only the prophet's people had knowledge...)
Well... The message is still clear. Kill if they dont obey or dont accept islam.
Quran 9:5
when the forbidden months have passed, kill the polytheists [who are at war with you] wherever you find them. Take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and take to prayer regularly and pay the alms then let them go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. (
apparently only if they convert!!)
quran 9:6
if any one of the polytheists seek asylum with you, grant him asylum so that he may hear the word of god (again to convert); then convey him to a place of safety. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge. (lol! So apparently only the prophet's people had knowledge...)
Well... The message is still clear. Kill if they dont obey or dont accept islam.
Kumz 2011/05/14 08:42
Quote: AL-JAWWAD_1:
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØَقّ٠وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙيّÙÙ‡Ù
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
Now let me see... Where have I read that qisas doesn't work the same way if a muslim kills a non muslim...? It said that the life of a Jew or Christian is worth 1 third of that of a muslim and the life of whoever else is worth 1 fifteeeeeeeeeeeenth of that of a muslim. Discrimination, is it?
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØَقّ٠وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙيّÙÙ‡Ù
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
and what
jaQui 2011/05/15 01:21
Quote: AL-JAWWAD_1: Did you read Qur'an anyway who blame others are bigger criminals them self.
im happy t0 c dis c0z i've seen many muslim ppl wh0 put d blame on oda ppl t0 make demself inn0cent and judge ppl as if they are God. I have the evidence in f0rums and at my inb0x. Say n0 m0re
look ar0und
jaQui 2011/05/17 17:40
d0nt u understand that PEACE is just a W0RD they d0nt understand
Quote: -DeMoN_OvErLoRd-: Oh he understands very well..its the religion of violence ..look around the world...you see it ... I have nothing more to add!
I have nothing more to add!d0nt u understand that PEACE is just a W0RD they d0nt understand
jaQui 2011/05/18 07:14
Tell me hy d0nt islam practice what they preach ???
Quote: THE_HERO: I hope @ SATAN will answer my question 
I hope he understands now that Islam is religion of peace, go in deep to understand it.
Dont just quote some incomplete verses.
But anyways i have every answer of your incomplete verses you quote here
I hope he understands now that Islam is religion of peace, go in deep to understand it.
Dont just quote some incomplete verses.
But anyways i have every answer of your incomplete verses you quote here
Tell me hy d0nt islam practice what they preach ???
Zeast 2011/05/18 19:09
Quote: Kumz: Quran 9:5
when the forbidden months have passed, kill the polytheists [who are at war with you] wherever you find them. Take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and take to prayer regularly and pay the alms then let them go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. (apparently only if they convert!!)
quran 9:6
if any one of the polytheists seek asylum with you, grant him asylum so that he may hear the word of god (again to convert); then convey him to a place of safety. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge. (lol! So apparently only the prophet's people had knowledge...)
Well... The message is still clear. Kill if they dont obey or dont accept islam.
. . . I w0nda w0t w0d srilankan c0m0ndr do in a war wid hs enmy at warfield ! Let enmy to kil ? . . . .
when the forbidden months have passed, kill the polytheists [who are at war with you] wherever you find them. Take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and take to prayer regularly and pay the alms then let them go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. (
apparently only if they convert!!)quran 9:6
if any one of the polytheists seek asylum with you, grant him asylum so that he may hear the word of god (again to convert); then convey him to a place of safety. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge. (lol! So apparently only the prophet's people had knowledge...)
Well... The message is still clear. Kill if they dont obey or dont accept islam.
th0t ye left sellng mir0rz in da t0wn ov blinds! Nope. Ye w0nt st0p
FalleN 2011/05/21 10:44
Dude, really... nothing can justify that verse. Killing people just because they belongs to other religion is totally insane.
Dude, really... nothing can justify that verse. Killing people just because they belongs to other religion is totally insane.
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