"Response to Qur'an 9:5" by Musafir 2010/01/13 11:03
My one friend @ demon overlord quoted QUR'AN 9:5 but he forgot to quote QURAN 9:6 in this topic topic id: 2062830 :P
“… Fight and slay the Mushrik Kafir wherever you find them …†(Al Qur’an 9:5) :)
If you read the Qur’an,
this verse exists but it is
quoted out of context
by Arun Shourie.
The first few verses of
Surah Tawbah before
verse 5 speak about the
peace treaty between
the Muslims and
Muskhriks (polytheists)
of Makkah. This peace
treaty was unilaterally
broken by the Mushriks
of Makkah. In verse no.
5 Allah (swt) gives them
an ultimatum to put
things straight in four
months ’ time, or else
face a declaration of
war. It is for the
battlefield that Allah
says “fight and slay the
Mushriks (i.e. the
enemies from Makkah)
wherever you find them
and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every
stratagem of warâ€.
This verse is revealed
and instructs the Muslims
to fight in the battlefield
and kill the enemy
wherever you find them.
But natural, any army
general to boost up the
morale of the soldiers
and to encourage them
will say “Don’t get
scared, fight and kill the
enemies, wherever you
find them in the
battlefield. Arun Shourie
in his book ‘The World of
Fatwas’ after quoting
Surah Tawbah chapter 9
verse 5 jumps to verse
7. Any logical person will
realize that verse 6 has
the reply to his
allegation.
Surah Tawbah chapter 9 verse 6 says:
:)
“If any amongst the Mushriks (i.e. the enemies)
ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that
he may hear the word of Allah and then
escort him to where he can be secure â€. (Al Qur’an 9:6)
:)
Today the most merciful
army general may tell
his soldiers to let the
enemy go, but Almighty
Allah in the Qur ’an says
if the enemy wants
peace do not just let
them go but escort them
to a place of security.
Which army general in
today ’s day and age, or
rather in the whole of
recorded human history
is ever known to have
given such merciful
instructions? Now will
someone ask Mr. Arun
Shourie
Why did he deliberately not quote verse 6? :P
My one friend @ demon overlord quoted QUR'AN 9:5 but he forgot to quote QURAN 9:6 in this topic topic id: 2062830 :P
“… Fight and slay the Mushrik Kafir wherever you find them …†(Al Qur’an 9:5) :)
If you read the Qur’an,
this verse exists but it is
quoted out of context
by Arun Shourie.
The first few verses of
Surah Tawbah before
verse 5 speak about the
peace treaty between
the Muslims and
Muskhriks (polytheists)
of Makkah. This peace
treaty was unilaterally
broken by the Mushriks
of Makkah. In verse no.
5 Allah (swt) gives them
an ultimatum to put
things straight in four
months ’ time, or else
face a declaration of
war. It is for the
battlefield that Allah
says “fight and slay the
Mushriks (i.e. the
enemies from Makkah)
wherever you find them
and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every
stratagem of warâ€.
This verse is revealed
and instructs the Muslims
to fight in the battlefield
and kill the enemy
wherever you find them.
But natural, any army
general to boost up the
morale of the soldiers
and to encourage them
will say “Don’t get
scared, fight and kill the
enemies, wherever you
find them in the
battlefield. Arun Shourie
in his book ‘The World of
Fatwas’ after quoting
Surah Tawbah chapter 9
verse 5 jumps to verse
7. Any logical person will
realize that verse 6 has
the reply to his
allegation.
Surah Tawbah chapter 9 verse 6 says:
:)
“If any amongst the Mushriks (i.e. the enemies)
ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that
he may hear the word of Allah and then
escort him to where he can be secure â€. (Al Qur’an 9:6)
:)
Today the most merciful
army general may tell
his soldiers to let the
enemy go, but Almighty
Allah in the Qur ’an says
if the enemy wants
peace do not just let
them go but escort them
to a place of security.
Which army general in
today ’s day and age, or
rather in the whole of
recorded human history
is ever known to have
given such merciful
instructions? Now will
someone ask Mr. Arun
Shourie
Why did he deliberately not quote verse 6? :P
-DeMoN_OvErLoRd- 2010/01/15 15:48
I have nothing more to add!
Quote: Sirajkhan: he is shaitan nd shaitan's never understands
Oh he understands very well..its the religion of violence ..look around the world...you see it ... I have nothing more to add!
ZALAND 2010/01/15 15:04
Quote: M_U_S_A_F_I_R: I hope @ SATAN will answer my question 
I hope he understands now that Islam is religion of peace, go in deep to understand it.
Dont just quote some incomplete verses.
But anyways i have every answer of your incomplete verses you quote here
he is shaitan nd shaitan's never understands
I hope he understands now that Islam is religion of peace, go in deep to understand it.
Dont just quote some incomplete verses.
But anyways i have every answer of your incomplete verses you quote here
-DeMoN_OvErLoRd- 2010/01/18 03:42
Quote: AL-JAWWAD_1:
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØÙŽÙ‚ÙÙ‘ وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙÙŠÙّهÙ
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
Tell that to the Banu Nadir whom were killed by Mohammed! Was that just cause after they were defeated to cut f 800 peoples heads? What sort of a prophet kills people?
"..Take not life, which Allah hath
made sacred, except by way of
justice and law: thus does He
command you, that ye may
learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
وَلاَ تَقْتÙÙ„Ùوا النَّÙْسَ الَّتÙÙŠ Øَرَّمَ
اللَّه٠إÙلاَّ بÙالْØÙŽÙ‚ÙÙ‘ وَمَنْ Ù‚ÙتÙÙ„ÙŽ
مَظْلÙومًا Ùَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا Ù„ÙÙˆÙŽÙ„ÙÙŠÙّهÙ
سÙلْطَانًا Ùَلاَ ÙŠÙسْرÙÙÙ’ ÙÙÙŠ الْقَتْلÙ
Ø¥Ùنَّه٠كَانَ مَنصÙورًا
"Nor take life - which Allah has
made sacred - except for just
cause. And if anyone is slain
wrongfully, We have given his
heir authority (to demand Qisas
or to forgive): but let him not
exceed bounds in the matter of
taking life; for he is helped (by
the law)" (al-Isra' 17:33)
According to the Qur'an, killing any
person without a just cause is as big
a sin as killing the whole humanity
and saving the life of one person is
as good deed as saving the whole
humanity.
Musafir 2010/01/13 11:13
I hope @ SATAN will answer my question
I hope he understands now that Islam is religion of peace, go in deep to understand it.
Dont just quote some incomplete verses.
But anyways i have every answer of your incomplete verses you quote here
I hope @ SATAN will answer my question
I hope he understands now that Islam is religion of peace, go in deep to understand it.
Dont just quote some incomplete verses.
But anyways i have every answer of your incomplete verses you quote here
-DeMoN_OvErLoRd- 2010/01/13 11:16
Did you not already post the same thing in the other topic? And second you copied and pasted again and again and you left the last part of the article ...hehehehe Mr Shourie LOL
Did you not already post the same thing in the other topic? And second you copied and pasted again and again and you left the last part of the article ...hehehehe Mr Shourie LOL
Musafir 2010/01/13 11:41
in 11 line please go back and read again.
please answer my question instead of running.
Your typing of link proves that you are not capable to reply or face the fact
i just quoted Verses 6 to clear the misconception of verses 5.
IF ANY OF MODERATOR SEES THIS TOPIC AS PROVOKING TOPIC, PLEASE TELL ME.
But anyways this is not ANTI ISLAMIC TOPIC BUT DEFENSING ISLAMIC TOPIC. IS'NT IT???
Quote: SATAN: Did you not already post the same thing in the other topic? And second you copied and pasted again and again and you left the last part of the article ...hehehehe Mr Shourie LOL
Not only at last but i described his name before also
in 11 line please go back and read again.
please answer my question instead of running.
Your typing of link proves that you are not capable to reply or face the fact
i just quoted Verses 6 to clear the misconception of verses 5.
IF ANY OF MODERATOR SEES THIS TOPIC AS PROVOKING TOPIC, PLEASE TELL ME.
But anyways this is not ANTI ISLAMIC TOPIC BUT DEFENSING ISLAMIC TOPIC. IS'NT IT???
-DeMoN_OvErLoRd- 2010/01/13 12:31
Quote: jacki: Again dis blablabla im the mr.genius 
Yeh he does it constantly
-DeMoN_OvErLoRd- 2010/01/13 12:32
I am not allowed to criticize remember..so dont provoke me it wont work....*laughing*
Quote: M_U_S_A_F_I_R: Not only at last but i described his name before also
in 11 line please go back and read again.
please answer my question instead of running.
Your typing of link proves that you are not capable to reply or face the fact
i just quoted Verses 6 to clear the misconception of verses 5.
IF ANY OF MODERATOR SEES THIS TOPIC AS PROVOKING TOPIC, PLEASE TELL ME.
But anyways this is not ANTI ISLAMIC TOPIC BUT DEFENSING ISLAMIC TOPIC. IS'NT IT???
Reply to what?
in 11 line please go back and read again.
please answer my question instead of running.
Your typing of link proves that you are not capable to reply or face the fact
i just quoted Verses 6 to clear the misconception of verses 5.
IF ANY OF MODERATOR SEES THIS TOPIC AS PROVOKING TOPIC, PLEASE TELL ME.
But anyways this is not ANTI ISLAMIC TOPIC BUT DEFENSING ISLAMIC TOPIC. IS'NT IT???
I am not allowed to criticize remember..so dont provoke me it wont work....*laughing*
jaQui 2010/01/13 13:07
Quote: M_U_S_A_F_I_R: Reply to what 
was your eyes close while reading my very first post.
And i understand when people fails in answering they gives it name of provoke
i can read eye,s closed
was your eyes close while reading my very first post.
And i understand when people fails in answering they gives it name of provoke
_rOcK_ 2010/01/14 18:13
Quote: SATAN: Did you not already post the same thing in the other topic? And second you copied and pasted again and again and you left the last part of the article ...hehehehe Mr Shourie LOL
you are just not reading and trying to understand what the topic makes wants to say.......
POWERBALL 2010/01/15 18:12
You can develop a healthy, robust community that lives right with God and enjoy its results only if you do the hard work of getting along with each other, treating each other with dignity and honor (James 3:18) (Msg)
You can develop a healthy, robust community that lives right with God and enjoy its results only if you do the hard work of getting along with each other, treating each other with dignity and honor (James 3:18) (Msg)
AL-JAWWAD_1 2010/01/15 19:40
Quote: M_U_S_A_F_I_R: My one friend @ demon overlord quoted QUR'AN 9:5 but he forgot to quote QURAN 9:6 in this topic topic id: 2062830
“… Fight and slay the Mushrik Kafir wherever you find them …†(Al Qur’an 9:5)
If you read the Qur’an,
this verse exists but it is
quoted out of context
by Arun Shourie.
The first few verses of
Surah Tawbah before
verse 5 speak about the
peace treaty between
the Muslims and
Muskhriks (polytheists)
of Makkah. This peace
treaty was unilaterally
broken by the Mushriks
of Makkah. In verse no.
5 Allah (swt) gives them
an ultimatum to put
things straight in four
months ’ time, or else
face a declaration of
war. It is for the
battlefield that Allah
says “fight and slay the
Mushriks (i.e. the
enemies from Makkah)
wherever you find them
and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every
stratagem of warâ€.
This verse is revealed
and instructs the Muslims
to fight in the battlefield
and kill the enemy
wherever you find them.
But natural, any army
general to boost up the
morale of the soldiers
and to encourage them
will say “Don’t get
scared, fight and kill the
enemies, wherever you
find them in the
battlefield. Arun Shourie
in his book ‘The World of
Fatwas’ after quoting
Surah Tawbah chapter 9
verse 5 jumps to verse
7. Any logical person will
realize that verse 6 has
the reply to his
allegation.
Surah Tawbah chapter 9 verse 6 says:
“If any amongst the Mushriks (i.e. the enemies)
ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that
he may hear the word of Allah and then
escort him to where he can be secure â€. (Al Qur’an 9:6)
Today the most merciful
army general may tell
his soldiers to let the
enemy go, but Almighty
Allah in the Qur ’an says
if the enemy wants
peace do not just let
them go but escort them
to a place of security.
Which army general in
today ’s day and age, or
rather in the whole of
recorded human history
is ever known to have
given such merciful
instructions? Now will
someone ask Mr. Arun
Shourie
Why did he deliberately not quote verse 6?
The link is not opening, i guess they deleted your topic.
“… Fight and slay the Mushrik Kafir wherever you find them …†(Al Qur’an 9:5)
If you read the Qur’an,
this verse exists but it is
quoted out of context
by Arun Shourie.
The first few verses of
Surah Tawbah before
verse 5 speak about the
peace treaty between
the Muslims and
Muskhriks (polytheists)
of Makkah. This peace
treaty was unilaterally
broken by the Mushriks
of Makkah. In verse no.
5 Allah (swt) gives them
an ultimatum to put
things straight in four
months ’ time, or else
face a declaration of
war. It is for the
battlefield that Allah
says “fight and slay the
Mushriks (i.e. the
enemies from Makkah)
wherever you find them
and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every
stratagem of warâ€.
This verse is revealed
and instructs the Muslims
to fight in the battlefield
and kill the enemy
wherever you find them.
But natural, any army
general to boost up the
morale of the soldiers
and to encourage them
will say “Don’t get
scared, fight and kill the
enemies, wherever you
find them in the
battlefield. Arun Shourie
in his book ‘The World of
Fatwas’ after quoting
Surah Tawbah chapter 9
verse 5 jumps to verse
7. Any logical person will
realize that verse 6 has
the reply to his
allegation.
Surah Tawbah chapter 9 verse 6 says:
“If any amongst the Mushriks (i.e. the enemies)
ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that
he may hear the word of Allah and then
escort him to where he can be secure â€. (Al Qur’an 9:6)
Today the most merciful
army general may tell
his soldiers to let the
enemy go, but Almighty
Allah in the Qur ’an says
if the enemy wants
peace do not just let
them go but escort them
to a place of security.
Which army general in
today ’s day and age, or
rather in the whole of
recorded human history
is ever known to have
given such merciful
instructions? Now will
someone ask Mr. Arun
Shourie
Why did he deliberately not quote verse 6?
AL-JAWWAD_1 2010/01/15 19:43
he mentioned Arun Shouries name 3 times in his first post. Open your eyes SATAN.
Quote: SATAN: Did you not already post the same thing in the other topic? And second you copied and pasted again and again and you left the last part of the article ...hehehehe Mr Shourie LOL
Not only in last part of Article he mentioned Arun Shouries name 3 times in his first post. Open your eyes SATAN.
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