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@Don@
1 month ago
i agreed with you...yes.
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Shien
2 months ago
Quote: outlaw: I admit i'm starting to sound very sympathetic of the pedophile cause, but if anyone takes the time to pay attention to my posts, they will realize what I'm actually suggesting is the most likely to be effective solution to protecting children from pedophiles, with the help of future technology.

i'm saying let pedophiles feck fake children dolls made out of silicon which are very realistic and look and feel exactly like real children, so they no longer feel the urge to abuse real children. How is that a controversial thing to say? Maybe my mind is very fecked up, but to me personally this sounds like a perfectly normal and sensible thing to say.


I'm plenty open-minded, too open-minded depending on who you ask, but everyone has a point where they draw a line and say "here and no further". Pedophilia and anything that enables or facilitates it is on the opposite side of that line for me. way Way WAY on the other side.

Besides you don't really care for pedophiles any more than I do, surely not enough to press the argument any further devils advocate or no. So what say you we agree to disagree and rather argue on something you actually care about at some point in the future?
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David.adams
2 months ago
Those who need will buy bt not me...
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Ragnorak
2 months ago
Quote: outlaw: I admit i'm starting to sound very sympathetic of the pedophile cause, but if anyone takes the time to pay attention to my posts, they will realize what I'm actually suggesting is the most likely to be effective solution to protecting children from pedophiles, with the help of future technology.

i'm saying let pedophiles feck fake children dolls made out of silicon which are very realistic and look and feel exactly like real children, so they no longer feel the urge to abuse real children. How is that a controversial thing to say? Maybe my mind is very fecked up, but to me personally this sounds like a perfectly normal and sensible thing to say.
I think it's debatable whether letting pedophiles mess with artificial creations made to resemble children will prevent them from progressing to harming real kids. Maybe for some it will, and for some it won't.

To me it's beside the point, as some things in life are sacred and children are one of them. I don't want to live in a society where it's okay to act out such violations even if it's only on an inanimate object, sort of how someone religious wouldn't want to see a statue of their God desecrated, except children are more important still as we all know they are real.

I don't think it's helpful to compare pedophile role-play using objects with the perversions of consenting adults who want to do rape fake-out etc. Perhaps more of a comparison can be made with men who want to rape for real, but even then those who want to do the same to children are one level of abhorrence above other rapists
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U_kano
2 months ago
Yes its true in life
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Shien
2 months ago
The difference is less repression versus indulgence and more treatment versus non-treatment. Pedophiles sleeping with child surrogates runs counter to psychiatric treatment, its a one or the other deal.

You've likely made it onto several watch lists already. Playing devils advocate is well and good, the topic you chose to do it on however ... not the best choice. Being a hot button issue and all that.
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Shien
2 months ago
Quote: outlaw: Banging fake kid dolls isn't pedophilia. It's make-believe pedophilia where no one get's hurt. No different than make-believe rape roleplay sex. Fake rape isn't just a fantasy for some people. Some people can't get off without it. It's a need.

If we want to use a drugs analogy, e-cigs come close. Make-believe smoking without the cancer.

What I'm suggesting is exactly that, fulfilling a fantasy or an urge without hurting anybody. It's like playing GTA. You can fulfill your fantasy of running over prostitutes and killing people with chainsaws but it's not real people. No harm done.


Why wouldn't it be pedophilia? Do you think pedophilia is the crime and not the abnormal urge that informs it or a lifestyle that would feed into those urges?

Nothing happens in isolation, least of all any of the various weird, wonderful and at times twisted things that float around in the human mind.
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Shien
2 months ago
Quote: outlaw: I'm not sure i agree with this part btw. I think feeding any kind of sexual urge in a safe legal way is the healthier way to keep it in check. Repressing said feeling is what leads to crime i think.

If repression was such a good idea, you'd think that all those countries with all those laws based around sexual repression (females must be fully clothed and such) would be rape-free safe havens for women. But we know it's actually the other way around.

Now rape is also a despicable crime. Yet so many adults have sexual urges centered around rape, and a lot of them feed these urges through consensual non-consent roleplay and shxt like that. We don't ask them to stop feeding those abnormal urges, do we?


Which I would agree with save for the "abnormal" bit that comes before urges. Normal means many things to many people but pedophilia is outside the realms of what is normal for most of society across cultural, religious and national boundries.

Comparing it to what is normal is like comparing apples and oranges, they're both edible fruits but beyond that point comparisons only serve to highlight just how different they are.

Abnormal urges are compulsive, you wouldn't advocate a cocaine addict cutting and snorting sherbet as part of his rehabilitation would you? No, because the most effective way to stop is to break from anything that contributes to that habit and feeds said compulsive urge.

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. They have little basis in reality. People may flirt with the idea of non-consensual themes in play but as with all things, reality and fantasy are worlds apart and they would not argue otherwise. Which is why they incorporate those themes into play but do not for instance place themselves in a situation where they can actually be raped or rape someone.
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Shien
3 months ago
Quote: outlaw: Seriously though, forget i used the term "orientation". Because maybe even heterosexuality isn't innate, for all we know. I was just wondering whether one begins to find kids more attractive than grown ups the same way we figure out our own sexualities, i.e. from a very young age. If that's the case, man, I think pedophilia is fecking tragic for both the victim and the abuser. More so for the victim, but spare a thought for the guys who never act upon this unnatural urge.


Forgotten ... As for whether heterosexuality is innate or not, well everyone has their own opinions on that, no way to prove it one way or the other. Technically pedophilia can only be diagnosed from 19 years old and above. Its there before but from a medical point of view it can only be diagnosed from 19 years and older.

There are those who do not act, some even seek help volunteer to be chemically castrated. While I wouldn't go so far as to say I sympathize, I do think they are a step above those who would act on said urge. That is supposedly what separates us from animals after all, the ability to act against or in spite of our instincts.
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ashwani810
3 months ago
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