The 0rigin of Satan by xFaCt0r 2011/08/19 14:11
The Origin of Satan
Lucifer and other Fallen Angels
Who was Lucifer?
Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function."
God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God.
If God is so good, then why did he create Satan?
Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it.
( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 )
Like man, the angels were created perfect, and with a free will.
Satan was lifted up because of his beauty, he corrupted the wisdom by reason of his brightness (This is in Ezekiel 28:17)
The Origin of Satan
Lucifer and other Fallen Angels
Who was Lucifer?
Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function."
God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God.
If God is so good, then why did he create Satan?
Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it.
( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 )
Like man, the angels were created perfect, and with a free will.
Satan was lifted up because of his beauty, he corrupted the wisdom by reason of his brightness (This is in Ezekiel 28:17)
xFaCt0r 2011/08/19 14:16
Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV)
"Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty."
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."
This is not an earthly king, as the word "cherub" is only used in references to angels.
15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
The word "covering" is from the Hebrew word cakak, and means: to entwine, to fence in, cover over, protect, defend, hedge in, (source "The complete word study Old Testament"
Was Lucifer’s job to protect the very earth he corrupted? Was this one of his duties that gave him so much pride?
Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV)
"Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty."
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."
This is not an earthly king, as the word "cherub" is only used in references to angels.
15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
The word "covering" is from the Hebrew word cakak, and means: to entwine, to fence in, cover over, protect, defend, hedge in, (source "The complete word study Old Testament"
Was Lucifer’s job to protect the very earth he corrupted? Was this one of his duties that gave him so much pride?
xFaCt0r 2011/08/19 14:18
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
0 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
0 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
xFaCt0r 2011/08/19 14:22
Question:
"Where does Satan and the fall fit into all of this? He must have been cast down before Adam and Eve were created because he was there to tempt Eve in the Garden? Was there, could there have been, a pre-Adamic age - and surly this would have been a catastrophic event?
Best regards
Amanda S. Q. 6/19/01
Answer:
Satan was cast out of heaven after Adam and Eve were created, because God said the Creation was still "very good" on day 6 after man had been created.
There was nothing and no one here before Adam and Eve.
Question:
"Where does Satan and the fall fit into all of this? He must have been cast down before Adam and Eve were created because he was there to tempt Eve in the Garden? Was there, could there have been, a pre-Adamic age - and surly this would have been a catastrophic event?
Best regards
Amanda S. Q. 6/19/01
Answer:
Satan was cast out of heaven after Adam and Eve were created, because God said the Creation was still "very good" on day 6 after man had been created.
There was nothing and no one here before Adam and Eve.
xFaCt0r 2011/08/19 14:27
Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Satan wanted to be God. The Bible tells us in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 that Satan has become the "god of this world". And Revelation 20:10 tells us that he will be eternally punished for it.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9)
Revelation 12:4-9 (King James Version) "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
(7)And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8)And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons.
Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Satan wanted to be God. The Bible tells us in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 that Satan has become the "god of this world". And Revelation 20:10 tells us that he will be eternally punished for it.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9)
Revelation 12:4-9 (King James Version) "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
(7)And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8)And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons.
xFaCt0r 2011/08/19 14:33
Why didn't God just destroy Satan?
Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through Adams transgression, then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But God had a better way. A way of Redemption.
And Christ the Redeemer was on His way !
What does Satan look like?
We've all seen pictures of Satan portrayed as a hoofed creature, red in color.. with little horns on his head.
But this description is not Biblical. The hoofed being we usually see is actually closer to that of "Pan" from Greek mythology.
Perhaps Satan wants this image of himself to be used, because of its absurdity. Knowing that the day would come when God and the Devil would both be dismissed as "mythical"
Revelation 12:3 speaks of the red horned dragon. This is not Satan himself, but a reference to him from where these physical attributes possibly originate.
Revelation 12:3 (KJV)
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
The Book of "Ezekiel" tells us what Lucifer really looked like before he sinned.
Lucifer was a being "of perfect beauty". He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold...
Lucifer was beautiful before he sinned. An expression of Gods own beauty and power. But like man, Lucifer’s very nature changed when he sinned. His (Lucifer’s) physical appearance may have as well.
Why didn't God just destroy Satan?
Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through Adams transgression, then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But God had a better way. A way of Redemption.
And Christ the Redeemer was on His way !
What does Satan look like?
We've all seen pictures of Satan portrayed as a hoofed creature, red in color.. with little horns on his head.
But this description is not Biblical. The hoofed being we usually see is actually closer to that of "Pan" from Greek mythology.
Perhaps Satan wants this image of himself to be used, because of its absurdity. Knowing that the day would come when God and the Devil would both be dismissed as "mythical"
Revelation 12:3 speaks of the red horned dragon. This is not Satan himself, but a reference to him from where these physical attributes possibly originate.
Revelation 12:3 (KJV)
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
The Book of "Ezekiel" tells us what Lucifer really looked like before he sinned.
Lucifer was a being "of perfect beauty". He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold...
Lucifer was beautiful before he sinned. An expression of Gods own beauty and power. But like man, Lucifer’s very nature changed when he sinned. His (Lucifer’s) physical appearance may have as well.
deeper than i thought
mutant_bunny 2011/08/19 22:26
Sorry but Ezekiel is not about Satan. . . Ezekiel 28 from verse one. in your great pride you claim 'i am god. I sit on a divine throne in the heart of the sea' 2- but you are only a MAN and not a god. 3- you regard yourself as wiser than Daniel and think no secret is hidden from you. It continues verse 6- because you think you are as wise as a god I will now bring against you a foreign army. Verse 9 - will you then boast 'i am a god' to them you will be no god, but merely a MAN.
this was a message for Tyre's king. A human being. Ezekiel was not only condemning the king but also satan. This was a very evil king.
rather use an actual Bible instead of websites.
Sorry but Ezekiel is not about Satan. . . Ezekiel 28 from verse one. in your great pride you claim 'i am god. I sit on a divine throne in the heart of the sea' 2- but you are only a MAN and not a god. 3- you regard yourself as wiser than Daniel and think no secret is hidden from you. It continues verse 6- because you think you are as wise as a god I will now bring against you a foreign army. Verse 9 - will you then boast 'i am a god' to them you will be no god, but merely a MAN.
this was a message for Tyre's king. A human being. Ezekiel was not only condemning the king but also satan. This was a very evil king.
rather use an actual Bible instead of websites.
jaQui 2011/08/20 15:24
Ezekiel 28
Prince of Tyre represents Satan, in rebellion in heaven
1. But the deceived ones will turn against Satan
6. King of Tyre represents Satan on earth, compared to his origin
11. Zidon, the last enemies destroyed at the end of the 1000 years
20. The righteous inherit the earth - universe at peace.
.flower1.
Read the blue letter Bible
Ezekiel 28
Prince of Tyre represents Satan, in rebellion in heaven
1. But the deceived ones will turn against Satan
6. King of Tyre represents Satan on earth, compared to his origin
11. Zidon, the last enemies destroyed at the end of the 1000 years
20. The righteous inherit the earth - universe at peace.
.flower1.
Read the blue letter Bible
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